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Why is Christ going to eat Gerontion up? Seriously, I reread this poem immediately after the Siegfried and Roy debacle with the tiger Montecore (love the symbolism!), and wondered what is going on here. Is this life imitating Art?
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Re: Gerontion
Thu, January 15, 2004 - 2:02 PMNah....
it's just a scared tiger.
But, Christ the tiger..
though they ape the cosumption of his body-
"niether fear nor courage saves us. Unnatural vices
Are fathered by our heroism. Virtues
Are forced upon us by our impudent crimes.".....
they are not the things that will susume the greatness, rather the greatness will susume them. That which is great devours that which is lesser.
or at least, that's my read on it.
stay warm,
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Re: Gerontion
Thu, January 15, 2004 - 3:02 PMHee Siegrried and Roy! I love it when that happens, the whole life/art thing.
But I'm wondering, rereading this. There's guilt in this language, as in a lot of Eliot's poetry--specifically sexual guilt. "Unnatural vices" that "are fathered by our heroism" indeed. And the whole thing about "Stiffen in a rented house."
I think Christ the tiger is going to devour him because he's guilty. But also because he really, really gets off on the thought of being devoured, eaten, dismembered that way.
It's in line with a lot of his early, unpublished, intensely masochistic religious poetry, "The Love Song of St. Sebastian," for instance. -
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Re: Gerontion
Thu, January 15, 2004 - 11:21 PMThe devouring of flesh is also the sacrament of Christianity in the Eucharist. I have often actually wondered: What if Christ is really trying to condition us to be eaten by Him? What if He is really an alien, planning to store us onboard his space-vessel as food for a long voyage?
--Just kidding! But, since eating the flesh of Christ is a sacrament, why shouldn't we expect the same from Him? Perhaps it is about an inversion of the ordained order of God, in some way.
I love Eliot's choice of words: estaminet, juvescence, etc. So recondite, but so appropriate.
It almost seems as if he is seeing the future of Europe to come.
Looking ahead to Hitler (a false Christ who devours the Jews), who will rape and pillage Europe in the name of Christianity....
Waiting for rain showers, or perhaps showers of another sort?
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Re: Gerontion
Thu, July 14, 2005 - 8:10 PMT.S. Eliot (1888–1965). Poems. 1920.
1. Gerontion
Thou hast nor youth nor age
But as it were an after dinner sleep
Dreaming of both.
HERE I am, an old man in a dry month,
Being read to by a boy, waiting for rain.
I was neither at the hot gates
Nor fought in the warm rain
Nor knee deep in the salt marsh, heaving a cutlass, 5
Bitten by flies, fought.
My house is a decayed house,
And the jew squats on the window sill, the owner,
Spawned in some estaminet of Antwerp,
Blistered in Brussels, patched and peeled in London. 10
The goat coughs at night in the field overhead;
Rocks, moss, stonecrop, iron, merds.
The woman keeps the kitchen, makes tea,
Sneezes at evening, poking the peevish gutter.
I an old man, 15
A dull head among windy spaces.
Signs are taken for wonders. “We would see a sign!”
The word within a word, unable to speak a word,
Swaddled with darkness. In the juvescence of the year
Came Christ the tiger 20
In depraved May, dogwood and chestnut, flowering judas,
To be eaten, to be divided, to be drunk
Among whispers; by Mr. Silvero
With caressing hands, at Limoges
Who walked all night in the next room; 25
By Hakagawa, bowing among the Titians;
By Madame de Tornquist, in the dark room
Shifting the candles; Fräulein von Kulp
Who turned in the hall, one hand on the door. Vacant shuttles
Weave the wind. I have no ghosts, 30
An old man in a draughty house
Under a windy knob.
After such knowledge, what forgiveness? Think now
History has many cunning passages, contrived corridors
And issues, deceives with whispering ambitions, 35
Guides us by vanities. Think now
She gives when our attention is distracted
And what she gives, gives with such supple confusions
That the giving famishes the craving. Gives too late
What’s not believed in, or if still believed, 40
In memory only, reconsidered passion. Gives too soon
Into weak hands, what’s thought can be dispensed with
Till the refusal propagates a fear. Think
Neither fear nor courage saves us. Unnatural vices
Are fathered by our heroism. Virtues 45
Are forced upon us by our impudent crimes.
These tears are shaken from the wrath-bearing tree.
The tiger springs in the new year. Us he devours. Think at last
We have not reached conclusion, when I
Stiffen in a rented house. Think at last 50
I have not made this show purposelessly
And it is not by any concitation
Of the backward devils
I would meet you upon this honestly.
I that was near your heart was removed therefrom 55
To lose beauty in terror, terror in inquisition.
I have lost my passion: why should I need to keep it
Since what is kept must be adulterated?
I have lost my sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch:
How should I use them for your closer contact? 60
These with a thousand small deliberations
Protract the profit of their chilled delirium,
Excite the membrane, when the sense has cooled,
With pungent sauces, multiply variety
In a wilderness of mirrors. What will the spider do, 65
Suspend its operations, will the weevil
Delay? De Bailhache, Fresca, Mrs. Cammel, whirled
Beyond the circuit of the shuddering Bear
In fractured atoms. Gull against the wind, in the windy straits
Of Belle Isle, or running on the Horn, 70
White feathers in the snow, the Gulf claims,
And an old man driven by the Trades
To a sleepy corner.
Tenants of the house,
Thoughts of a dry brain in a dry season
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Re: Gerontion
Thu, July 14, 2005 - 10:15 PMWell, this is just about the darkest goddamned poem ever written.
"These with a thousand small deliberations
Protract the profit of their chilled delirium...."
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Re: Gerontion
Fri, July 4, 2008 - 8:51 PMBullshit. You haven't got a clue. To offer one's life to Christ is more agonizing, and more tragic, and more humiliating, than to devoured alive by a tiger. Which is why so few "Christians" actually do so.
I'm not even a Christian - I'm a Pagan. T.S. Eliot was actually both. The symbolism of being devoured by a tiger (the same symbolism is found in Ash Wednesday) is truly shamanic, in nature. Shamans endure similar torments, in the course of becoming shamans. Nothing is gained, spiritually, without suffering. -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:01 PMHuh.
Actually, that's always what's fascinated me about TS's poetry, the screaming paganism of nearly all of it. And it never went away in his post-conversion poems either. Lady with two white leopards indeed.
And yeah, I agree about the shamanic aspect of it. The Waste Land was essentially an exercise in letting dead people possess and speak through him, and about being between death and life.
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 9:01 PMAn article in Harper's some years ago pointed out that the "jew" squatting on the windowsill - "the owner" - is actually, among other images - and with a resonance with the tiger - a figuration of Christ. An answer to accusations against Eliot of anti-semitism.
"In the juvescence of the year/ Came Christ the tiger"
The lion is a traditional symbol of Christ - the lion implies regality - but to shift the register to the tiger! - a tiger is just a terrifying predator. It implies that there is something about Christ that we have not yet grasped.
"The tiger springs in the new year."
Notice how 'juvescence' symbolicially implies Spring, and _almost say_ 'springing'. Eliot's brilliance in the use of language.
